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spell checking kernewek[pennfenten]

i have placed several cornish songs onto the english version of wikipedia, but since they are in kernewek (i have no idear which variant) i am unable to spellcheck them. i would be very grateful if someone would have a look over them for me. Bro Goth Agan Tasow[[1]], which also requires a small amount of translation work to be done as i have no translation of the 3rd verse. An Awhesyth[[2]], Delkiow Sevy [[3]] The Song of the ‎Western Men[[4]]

Profyans[pennfenten]

My a vynn profya y fydh daswrys chanjyow oll dhe'n folenn ma ha beu gwrys gans nebonan na wrug kevrohow byth dhe folennow erell an Wikipedi ma.

I want to suggest that any changes made to this page be automatically reverted unless they're made by somebody who's made contributions to other pages of this Wikipedia. Why the bleeding hell do people want to monkey around with our front page is they won't even condescend to help the rest of the Wiki grow?

(By the bye, I really don't care whether we link to Ido or not. I don't mind either way. I can see some argument for Galician being the non-Celtic language of a Celtic people, like Scots or French. Although personally I don't believe Galicia is Celtic unlike Scotland or Brittany, many folk do, so whatever.)

(Drog yw genev leverel henna oll yn Sowsnek!) Divali lowen! (Ha Kalann Gwav ynwedh.) QuartierLatin 1968 18:24, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Pur dha. My a vynn daswul chanjyow oll dhe'n folenn ma mars yns gwruthys gans tus na gevros nevra dhe folenn arall. Yeghes da, Peace symbol.svg yn-medh Owen. Flag of Canada.svg 20:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Who needs this language?[pennfenten]

Remove this site!

Meur ras dhis a'n tybyansow fin ha skiansek na. QuartierLatin 1968 17:59, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
who needs Cornish? Cornish people! --86.135.83.137 15:32, 28 Kevardhu 2006 (UTC)

Orthography[pennfenten]

So, what is going to be done about the fact that there are at least three orthographies for Cornish in use and none of them are considered the standard or official form? --Iasos

You might want to speak to some of the users at the Alsatian language Wikipedia as they have exactly the same problem with there being no official written form of the language. However, they're still fairly new (16 articles) so perhaps they haven't found a solution yet either. Angela 03:23, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I would but I don't think I'm in the position to be in the decision process, I'm just beginning to learn the language myself. I hope I didn't stifle anyone, though. I hope someone puts something up, in any orthography. Iasos
The Limburgish Wikipedia has now over 250 articles. There is no offical orthography. But it still works. Create some redirects here and there. Show some alternative spellings to the article. Just let everybody write her own dialect, and as long as it's mutually comprehensive the pedia'll be fine. 216.252.255.198 17:10, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Wow this reminds me of the situation on the Javanese Wikipedia. There is actually a standard orthography but it is considered defective by some, so people just use their own. This is a problem with us as the Javanese language is not an official language anymore since World War II. We also have two different language styles. I am curious how you'll handle this problem. Good luck! Meursault2004 20:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
How interesting that Javanese has similar issues – it seems to plague languages without official state sponsorship. Does Javanese have any recognition as a 'regional language', or anything similar?
Cornish has actually got not one, but three 'rival' standard orthographies, one of which comes in two distinct variants – three and a half orthographies, so to speak. A yll'ta skrifa neb Kernewek, Meursault? (Do you write any Cornish?) You are welcome in any case, but I've been trying to get other people to make kw contributions! QuartierLatin1968 15:59, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Hey thanks for your reaction. No I am afraid I don't speak Cornish :-) I am just a visitor. Sometimes I browse 'exotic' language wikipedias just to get a look of them. Well Javanese is officially recognised as a 'regional language' of some parts of Indonesia. But sometimes it seems it is not more than mere lip service from the government. Maybe the main problem with Javanese is that most Javanese speakers are not well educated in their language due to government resources which are wanting. Meursault2004 08:39, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Another comment—We've just started up the Norman Wikipedia, and we're wondering how to handle dialect issues. Our situation is slightly different as we have three standardized Insular (regional) Dialects (one of which is VASTLY more spoken than the other two), and a standardized system for converting speech into writing for the continental dialects (primarily two, one of which is more spoken than the other). We're likely to see primarily two fairly different dialects (and, it should be emphasized, orthographies) popping up all over the Wikipedia, and we're not sure how to handle naming of articles/having articles. It's like having two languages share the same Wikipedia, in a way. 208.187.181.2 10:14, 27 Meurth 2006 (UTC) (I'm Jade Knight, just stopping by)

Getting kw: off the ground[pennfenten]

This noble project does appear to have stalled a little. I wish I could help but my Cornish is far from good enough. If I was able to contribute here is what I'd do:

  • To start with, focus on Cornwall-related and Cornish-related articles. It would be a mammoth effort to create a general purpose encyclopedia in Cornish, and people will just go and look things up in en: anyway where there are more contributors and things are debated in a lively fashion and kept up to date. If anyone has time to spare contributing to this Wikipedia then I would tentatively suggest that they would do more good writing about a Cornish village than trying to translate a major article at random.
  • Have an initial goal of writing a good extensive article on every decent-sized town in Cornwall, by which I mean better and more extensive than the English versions. This can be started by translating en:Truro, en:Falmouth, en:Penzance etc. and then adding loads of interesting content.
  • Try to write an article on every single village in Cornwall, as this will get Cornish speakers and learners very excited and eager to contribute when they see their little corner of the world featured on the internet — and in Cornish!
  • Take pictures of everywhere and put them up so that when people come to write articles on Cornwall in en: or anywhere else they will come to think of kw: as a useful source of images, thus building its reputation further.
  • Have the aim of writing really excellent quality articles at Kernow and Yeth Kernewek and other important subjects with relevance to Cornwall and its language.
  • Write articles on aspects of Cornish culture and make this a popular and talked about resource, and make it into something of importance in the Cornish language revival.

Just the ramblings of someone who likes to see minor language Wikipedias flourish. My apologies for trying to give advice when I'm not in a position to act on it myself. I hope I can provoke a discussion though. Best of luck!

Trilobite 16:05, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Prederow yn kever an rannyethow ha trevow[pennfenten]

Howdy, one and all. I think the point about getting an article up on every village in Cornwall is awesome; it would offer the chance for the kw wikipedia to offer something totally unique. My only caution is that people are going to think we're nuts if they find that the entire wikipedia is that provincial! But people are mostly going to check out a Cornish wikipedia if they're already into Celtic studies, Cornwall, Cornish heritage, and so on, so I guess it makes sense to cater to that niche to start with.

I can see how the dialect/orthography issue could get sticky in a hurry. Can I suggest some initial ground rules?

  • No DIY orthography. Honest spelling mistakes are one thing, but don't come up with your own system just to be 'different'. (On the other hand, if you were writing an article on Tim Saunders or Henry Jenner, you might wish to use their spelling systems if you feel able.)
  • Any recognized standard systems are welcome, including Kernewek Kemmyn, Unified Cornish, and Unified Cornish Revised. I'm going to reveal my ignorance and ask, is there a comparable standard for Modern Cornish/Carnoack in place? If not, of course, people can just use whatever Modern (Late) Cornish conventions are customary.
  • For aesthetic purposes, let's not begin a paragraph or sentence in one system and continue in another. If somebody's begun an article in Dialect A, try to add your bits and pieces in Dialect A; if you have to write in Dialect B, start a new section in that dialect.
  • No rewriting other people's articles in a different dialect and replacing them, unless it's just a stub and you're contributing a full article in earnest.

What do people think? (Re'm hatt, prag y skrifis vy henn oll yn sowsnek?) QuartierLatin1968 07:00, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be nicer to have all the articles in all the dialects? I don't know if it's possible and it'll take a considerable amount of time to reach that, but in the end it may be the nicest solution. Of course it would be useful if the visitor can choose the dialect and then all the pages would be displayed in that dialect if available. If not, then the page should be displayed in the dialect which is available. But I don't know if the Wiki-software has support for these kind of things.
Van der Hoorn 13:39, 20 Metheven 2006 (UTC)
Me neither, and unfortunately it's not always a simple toggle between dialects. Between Unified, UCR, and Kemmyn, yes for the most part, because the difference is orthographic; but Late also uses a very different grammar, and UCR sometimes veers somewhere in between.
If you can start a translation project, there are some templates and whatnot I've been playing with to facilitate that (see box tewas, {{lytherennans isos}}). I'd be happy to lend a hand; but I don't really have the materials to do a fool-proof translation except between Kemmyn and Unified. yn-medh Owen. Flag of Canada.svg 17:24, 21 Metheven 2006 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do, but I'm still trying to learn Kernewek myself. :)
Van der Hoorn 01:14, 22 Metheven 2006 (UTC)

Gwellheans an Kernewek[pennfenten]

A vynnyn gwellhe an Kernewek (lytherennans, gramasek) y'n erthyglow ma, po a vynnyn aga gasa dell yns? Dhe'm brys vy, gwell via gweles 'kernewek da' mes ny vynnav annia denvydh. Mars eus kammskrifow y'n pyth a skrifav y'n erthyglow, gwrewgh aga ewnhe a-dhistowgh! Nyns ov goethus!! Branvras

  • Yth esov vy unnver genes. Gwellha ow Hernewek! My a woer y kwrug vy gammskrifow, ha gwella yw dhymm bos perfeyth agan godhoniador. QuartierLatin1968 18:05, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Menysteryon hag an Vejeth rag Devnydhyoryon[pennfenten]

Yma folenn Wikipedia:Menysteryon lemmyn. An menyster unnik ov vy y'n termyn ma; mes da via genev mar teu tus erell ha bos menysteryon ynwedh. Yma kevrenn war folenn an venysteryon.

My a vynn kernewekhe an vejeth rag devnydhyoryon (user interface) -- h.y. an rann a'n wikipedi a lavar "Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia" ha "This is a minor edit/Watch this page" y'n eur ma. Mes wostalleth, res yw bos unnver gans an kernewekheans. Mar pleg, gweles peub ow folenn devnydhyer rag mires orth ow profyansow, ha gasa dhymm agas tybyansow ena. Gromersi! QuartierLatin1968 18:22, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

NPOV dispute[pennfenten]

was there any reason why npov wanted to do away with the content-rich mainpage (and all its anniversary and monthly templates) and revert to a very old and less interesting version?

I'm only speculating, but did it have something to do with being inclusive of all dialects? Personally I thought the rotating greeting was a rather attractive solution; but on the other hand the "content rich" version did seem almost like overkill. Can we work out some sort of compromise between the two? QuartierLatin1968 07:00, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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(English) WikiProject:Cornwall[pennfenten]

I am a member of the Cornwall WikiProject on the English language Wikipedia (I hope that all contributors here will drop by.) I note that there seems to have been little happening here since late 2004; I would respectfully suggest that unless this Cornish Wiki shows some activity (and I can't navigate the blessed thing, I don't understand the road signs!) that the Wiki Foundation servers could be better used - as far as I am aware there is no Cornish speaker who isn't bi or multilingual and I would contest that anyone needs to use Cornish as a first language; it is rather a matter of choice. I support diversity, but feel that this entire Wiki takes up valuable resources. I invite comment at my talk page User:LessHeard vanU (find me quickly at the Cornwall or Geography of Penwith WikiProject pages).88.110.115.160 00:50, 17 Kevardhu 2006 (UTC)

Me being able to read English would help... I now see that there are some comments this year, so things do appear to be happening. Anyway, feel free to come over to either or both projects and nickcopy/translate any stuff you find useful. I would comment that I found this place existed when another project member linked the Bert Biscoe page - are there any pages here that could be translated and added into the English project(s)? 88.110.115.160 01:00, 17 Kevardhu 2006 (UTC) (LessHeard vanU)

Ynysow Predennek[pennfenten]

I posted this on QuartierLatin 1968's talk but I'm not sure how often they visit:

If you have a minute, any chance you could pop over to the page where "Ynysow Predennek" is in danger of being removed from the info-box for want of a reference. Any help would be appreciated. 86.162.176.87 14:51, 21 Genver 2009 (UTC) (a.k.a )

Kernewek Wikiquote[pennfenten]

There is a very small project called Kernewek Wikiquote. There is a vote to close the project or keep it open. If you want to close down Kernewek Wikiquote, you can vote "support deletion". If you want to keep Kernewek Wikiquote open, you can vote "oppose deletion". Also, if you write pages in the Kernewek language in the project, you can help keep it open. Please tell people about this in Kernewek.

(Il y a un très petit projet nommé Kernewek Wikiquote. Il y a un vote pour déterminer si ce projet-là doit cesser ou non. Si vous voulez que cesse le projet Kernewek Wikiquote, vous pouvez voter pour "support deletion". Si vous voulez que le projet continue, vous pouvez votez pour "oppose deletion". Vous pouvez aussi aider le projet à se pousuivre en participant aux articles en langue cornique s'y trouvant. Ca serait bien si quelqu'un le disait aux autres en cornique) --Coppertwig (quelques retouches de Sroulik 11:36, 21 septembre 2008 (UTC))

Ulbha[pennfenten]

I have started an article at Ulbha, which is very short. I have been trying to get one in each of the Celtic languages. All the best and thanks... 80.176.147.202 13:33 9 Du 2007 (UTC)

Cornish standard[pennfenten]

Can we get the entire site changed to the new Single Written Form announced November 2007? This would certainly encourage me to start learning the language a bit more. --88.107.122.249 20:49, 24 Du 2007 (UTC)

I think you would encounter quite some opposal if you wanted to change the entire site. However, for a start, you could add a welcome text in Single Written Form to Template:Wikipediawelcome. - Troy 23:58, 8 Kevardhu 2007 (UTC)
No new form was announced last November. The details of the single written form have not even been finalized yet (February). But yes, I aim to switch to the SWF as quickly as possible. By the bye, the main page will need to be moved to Pennfolen now (unless I'm sore mistook). yn-medh Owen. 19:24, 5 Hwevrer 2008 (UTC)

Udn form scrifys yn udnik![pennfenten]

Ma dhe nei lebmyn neb tebyans dro dhe form scrifys an taves Kernowek rag descans ha governans.[5] Dhe'm brys vy, res yw dhe'n Wikipedya Kernowek devnedhya an form ma a-ban yw an project ma por dhe les rag descans. Nynj on nei parys dhe janjya erthyglow oll lebmyn, bettegyns: ma niver a vanelyon nag yw ervirys whath. ☮ yn-medh Owen. ☤ 09:33, 13 Hwevrer 2008 (UTC)

Dell hevel hemm yw tamm avar. Nyns yw an SWF gorfennys na hwath, ha bys y'n jydh pan vo, ny wodhir py lies den a vynn y usya. Brassa rann a dus freth yn yeth ny's gar vyth-oll, y'ga mysk an re owth oberi war an "languge ladder" rag skolyow. Yndella, ny vydh an SWF marnas unn furv moy a Gernewek. Mir war an wiki-ma ha desmygi piw re skrivas erthyglow, h.y. y'n py furv. 91.84.94.147 (kowskevrohow) a wrug skrifa an kampol heb hanow ma. 18:22, 20 Meurth 2008 91.84.94.147 (UTC)
Gwir yw y vos a-varr. Th'eron nei cortos dyllans leun an SWF rag clerhe niver veur a wovednow. Nag eus res dhe nebonen usya an SWF saw yn descans ha governans. Mes flehes a vedn devnydha an Wikpedya yn certan, ha aga descanjow a vedn bos y'n SWF: anjei a vedh martejen an vrassa niver a Gernewegoryon nowyth yn istory an Dasserhyans. Dhe'm bres vy, da vedh dynerhy anjei obma y'n SWF. Scon anjei a vedn scrifa erthyglow aga honen... ☮ yn-medh Owen. 20:12, 23 Meurth 2008 (UTC)

Dead[pennfenten]

Things are dead here. Watch out, the Manx wikipedia is about to outgrow you... 81.149.154.254 (kowskevrohow) a wrug skrifa an kampol heb hanow ma. 31 Meurth 2008, 15:42

It's a deliberate reticence on my part. I'm not contributing much because I know I'll probably have to change over to the new Standard Written Form once it's finalized. That was supposed to have been done by last Christmas, so life has been on hold here for a long time! ☮ yn-medh Owen. 21:08, 5 Ebryl 2008 (UTC)
Come on people - nothing has happened here for at least six months. WTF! --213.208.114.164 19:37, 18 Gortheren 2008 (UTC)

Towl a-dro dhe'n FSS[pennfenten]

Ma Furv Savonek Scrifys dha nei lebmyn. Na vedh chanj veth dhodho ken 2013. Bagasow ha tus dyffrans a vedn heb mar ûsya KS, KK, Kernûak Diwedhaz ha formys erel a'n taves, mes an FSS a vedn aga rei ‘eledhva’ nowyth, udn meeting place rag pùbonan ... drefen hy bos kesys yn haval gen pùbonan! Yndella, my a venja profya an rewlys a-is:

  1. Pùbonan a vedh kubmyes dhe scrifa erthyglow nowyth y'n scrifa-composter a'ga bodh.
  2. Pùbonan a ell chanjya an scrifa-composter ûsys yn udn erthygel, mars ujy va/hei ow lesa an erthygel ha expondya war desten ev. Ma pùb pres kesstrif ynter an scrifa-composters; gerowgh nei gwil devnydh a'n kesstrif na rag gwellhe godhoniador nei.
  3. Bejeth devnydhoryon (the user interface) ha henwyn erthyglow a goodh bos scrifys y'n FSS.

Eus den veth ow assetya erbydn an towl ma? ☮ yn-medh Owen. 10:20, 8 Metheven 2008 (UTC)

List of Wikipedias on Mainpage[pennfenten]

You should update the List of Wikipedias on Pennfolen. Many Wikipedias listed as 5 000 and more have already reached 50 000 articles since last revision. For example, Czech Wikipedia has 110 255 articles right now. --Majkl.tenkrat 17:23, 28 Hedra 2008 (UTC)

Radyo an Gernewegva[pennfenten]

A yllyn ni dalleth folenn a-barth Radyo an Gernewegva ha Nowodhow an Seythun marpleg????

Y hyllir kemmeres kedhlow dhiworth gwiasva RanG: www.radyo.kernewegva.com

Meur ras.

Ynysow Predennek[pennfenten]

If you have a minute, any chance somebody could pop over to the page where "Ynysow Predennek" is in danger of being removed from the info-box for want of a reference. and provide such? Any help would be appreciated! 86.162.176.87 17:01, 22 Genver 2009 (UTC)

Rugby[pennfenten]

Rugby is a popular sport in Cornwall, but the rugby article here is barelya line. Please expand.

Easy[pennfenten]

Is it easy to learn Cornish Lanuage

Please reply to me at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:%E8%B0%AD%E6%96%87%E7%81%8F http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tanwenhao

Nobody reply? Wenhao

An Bennfolenn[pennfenten]

Kamm yw an bennfolenn hy honan y'n eur ma. An bennlinenn yw "An Wikipedya Kernewek a'gas dynnargh" mes y tal bos "...dynnErgh" yn le "...dynnArgh". Wosa henna, yn kres an folenn na, yma "Yma lemmyn 1,842 erthyglow war an Wikipedya Kernewek" yn le po "1,842 a erthyglow" po "1,842 erthygel" hag ena, yn-dann "moy kevrennow dhe les" yma "1,000 erthyglow" yn le "1,000 erthygel" po "1,000 a erthyglow". Hag a nyns yw "war an Wikipedya" martesen lavar sowsnek treylys yn Kernewek? A ny via "y'n Wikipedya gwell?

Meur ras a'th ewnansow. Nyns yw ow Hernewek pur dha, mes yma nebonan aral ow skrifa omma. My re janjys an bennfolen. Yth esov vy ow tyski (yn lent). --Moon 01:14, 14 Meurth 2010 (UTC)

Typo[pennfenten]

The welcome sentence should read "ha pubonan a yll y janjya." And it should be "yethow erell" on the left bar. 76.22.80.16 02:29, 30 Ebrel 2010 (UTC)

Meur ras a'n ewnans. "Erel" ywa y'n FSS. --Moon 12:56, 30 Ebrel 2010 (UTC)

Survey on this wikipedia[pennfenten]

Hi, I'm sorry, but I cannot speak Kernowek. I therefore write in English, if it is okay. I am from Germany, Bremen, and I am studying linguistics and I have a seminar on language ausbau. This is, when a language doesn't have enough words to express all the modern things and it gets then upgrated with new expressions to fulfill it. And I want to study how Wikipedia can help on that and this is why I doing those surveys. I have two questions for you: 1. What do you think is the contribution of Wikipedia that your languages gets beter developped and gets new expressions for modern things, 2. How do you build new words, are there certain patterns or methods? (And would you be so kind and show me, where you are discussing on new words?) I would be really thankful, if there came some meanings and answers together. Thank you very much, Sincerely Zylbath 17:07, 13 Gwydngala 2011 (UTC)

Front page design method?[pennfenten]

Sorry for the English, but would anyone be able to tell me the method that was used to achieve that background image on the front page (which crops itself as you zoom in, and de-crops as you zoom out)? Gott wisst (kescows) 04:09, 14 Ebrel 2013 (UTC)

It's just a table that's been assigned a CSS class in MediaWiki:Common.css specifying a background image. --Moon (kescows) 12:24, 18 Ebrel 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Gott wisst (kescows) 01:02, 9 Me 2013 (UTC)

WikiLang[pennfenten]

Members of your community should see the WikiLang Wikimedia sister project proposal. It would be a wiki dedicated to language preservation and documentation. Gott wisst (kescows) 01:02, 9 Me 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Its goals are language documentation, revitalisation, and preservation. I'm sure some members of this community would be interested because Cornish is a great example of a revitalized language. PiRSquared17 (kescows) 01:34, 11 Me 2013 (UTC)

Dynnergh or Dynergh[pennfenten]

What is the standard form now that Cornish has the SWF, is it A'gas Dynnergh as written on the main page or A'gas Dynergh as I see written everywhere else?? --Stardsen (keskows) 01:15, 26 Gortheren 2015 (UTC)

Celtic and Indigenous Languages Conference[pennfenten]

Dear colleagues, The first ‘Celtic Knot’ – Wikipedia Language Conference will take place 5 & 6 July 2017 at the University of Edinburgh in collaboration with Wikimedia UK. Please save the date. The event will focus on Celtic Languages and Indigenous Languages, showcasing innovative approaches to open education, open knowledge and open data that support and grow language communities. The call for ideas closes on 10th March 2017. Our vision is for diverse participants working in Celtic and Indigenous languages ranging from Wikimedians, educators, researchers, information professionals, media professionals, linguists, translators, learning technologists and more coming together to share good practice and find fruitful new collaborations to support language communities as a result of the event. To find out more about the conference themes and the format of sessions please visit the Celtic Knot page. Email your session proposal to ewan.mcandrew@ed.ac.uk indicating the session type by no later than Friday 10th March. Please feel free to forward this event to interested colleagues in your network. If you would like to more then please contact me direct at ewan.mcandrew@ed.ac.uk Very best regards, Stinglehammer (keskows) 23:37, 23 Hwevrel 2017 (UTC)